This podcast was originally and first published by Business Matters.
BBC Description
Polls are beginning to close across the 15 primary states in the U.S as Super Tuesday comes to an end. Our presenter Roger Hearing will be bringing us up to date on what the polls are saying.
We’ll be hearing from voters who have made up their minds and those who are still considering.
And we find out if the fact that the US economy is beginning to show signs of strength, will affect the outcome in November.
Roger will be joined throughout the programme by two guests: Tony Nash, Chief Economist, Complete Intelligence who’s in Houston and Laura Schwartz, former Advisor to Bill Clinton and democratic strategist, who’s in Chicago.
Transcript
BBC
Hello, and welcome to Business Matters. I’m Roger Herring. Coming up on the program today, millions of voters in the US choose their party’s candidate for the November presidential election on what’s called Super Tuesday. But how are they feeling about the prospect of Biden versus Trump round two?
BBC
Well, we’re going to be hearing from those who have made up their minds and those who are still considering and ask if the fact that the US economy is beginning to show signs of strength will affect the outcome in November. And I’ll be joined throughout the program by two guests, Tony Nash, chief economist, Complete Intelligence, who’s joining us on the line from Houston. Tony, I should say hello to you.
Tony
Hello, Roger.
BBC
Good to have you there with us. And, Tony, I mean, for the Republicans, it is pretty much a coronation, wouldn’t you say?
Tony
Overall, yeah, there’s nobody left. I mean, you may have the four republican voters in Vermont vote for Nikki Haley, but aside from that, I really don’t think she’s going to win much today.
BBC
All right. Fair point. Well, we shall see. She hasn’t said her campaign is over yet. We’ll talk about that. But let’s just bring ourselves up, just be, to what has been happening, because it has been the biggest day so far in the US election year. Millions of people voting in what’s known as Super Tuesday. And the idea is you decide who should be the Republican and who should be the Democrat candidate for November’s presidential election. Now, polling has been taking place in more than a dozen states. The results are only expected to reinforce, as we said, the near certainty that Joe Biden and Donald Trump will face each other again in November. Well, speaking to reporters a little bit earlier, President Biden was pretty defiant about his polling. All right. Well, thanks very much for the moment, Michel. We’ll come back to you in a little while, a little bit later in the program to get an update and see what’s happening and perhaps get some sense of other issues that may be working their way through this election year. But now let me come to my guests, Tony and Laura. So, Tony, first of all, let me come to you.
BBC
Do you get the sense then that this process, this primary process, isn’t really what we’ve had in the past, what we’ve expected, where there’s been at least an element of doubt as to the outcome? And so for that reason, is it more of a drama? Have any issues come up in the process that have been useful?
Tony
Well, one thing about your earlier conversation, there are states where you vote in a partisan primary, but you don’t necessarily have to be a member of that party. So we have, like in Virginia, according to Exopolan, I was just looking at half of the people who voted for Nikki Haley were Democrats. And so this is how the different parties game some of these. And I would say this is a pretty big issue, especially in this primary.
BBC
Sorry, just run that one past me. You’re saying that the Democrats, people who are registered Democrats, can vote for the Republican candidates in some states.
Tony
So I live in Texas. In Texas, you do not have to be a registered Republican to vote in the republican primary. And so this is something that’s been happening for, I don’t know, the past three, four election cycles where party members will go in and vote in the other party’s primary to kind of try to push things one way or another. So since there is really nobody running against Joe Biden because he’s the incumbent, it really is kind of open and fair game for Democrats to try to change the republican primaries. So I voted here in Texas. I’m a Republican. And there were all of the previous names on the ballot. It wasn’t just Donald Trump. There were, I think, seven or eight Republicans to choose from. So just so your listeners understand, Republicans don’t just walk in the door, and Donald Trump is the only name on the ballot. There are many names. If those names are submitted to the state and qualify in time for the primary.
BBC
Interesting. We’ll see about that. Tony, let me bring you in on this, because that point that Laura was making about the court case, and we do know that one criminal trial will happen at least before the election. How much do you think that actually will matter in terms of voters, particularly GOP voters?
Tony
Obviously, it won’t matter. I mean, honestly, I live in the suburbs. I know both men and women. I’m a relatively social person, and I don’t know a single person who that matters for. And so we see this as responses, but I haven’t heard of a single person. Donald Trump being a dog is. I mean, that’s old news, so nobody really cares. I think that the biggest issue that people are facing right now is immigration, and that’s what everybody’s talking about. And that will weigh on Biden more than anything else. More than his corruption, his son’s corruption, his brother’s corruption. Immigration will weigh on Biden. And that campaign more than anything else, because there was some news, I think, out today saying the administration flew 300,000 illegal immigrants into the US. They flew them in to avoid the optics of them crossing the border. And so american citizens are paying for that. They’re paying for these people to be illegally transported and to reside illegally in the US. So we see what’s happening in New York City. We see what’s happening outside of Boston. We see what’s happening in Chicago. These very traditionally democratic cities are having to contend with the things that people like me in Texas on the border.
BBC
Because, I should say, of the movement of people coming over the border, often by republican governors in the south up to these cities.
Tony
Yes and no. Yes. I mean, our governor in Texas has done a lot of that to start that, to bus people up to DC and New York and Boston and Chicago and other places. But the Biden administration itself has flown in 300,000 illegal immigrants into the US. This was just a story out today. So they’re paying airfare, they’re taking Americans off of planes, they’re flying on flights, and then they’re getting vouchers and debit cards once they arrive here. And that’s a massive, massive issue for.
BBC
So you think that will actually dictate where a lot of people go in November will be that issue more than anything else?
Tony
Yes. Especially as we see more layoffs from companies. The displacement that that cohort has for, say, inner city and lower wage workers is huge. And so, again, these are traditionally Democrat voters. And so that immigration issue, it just won’t stop and everybody is talking about it.
BBC
Well, we shall see. That’s a very interesting line that you put there and one I have heard as well before. Anyway, we’re going to move on to the next part of the program. We’re going to be looking at some of what the economy might do to that vote in November. We’re going to say, Tony, let me pick that theme up with you, because do you feel, as someone working in the US economy, do you feel that things are getting better? I mean, you can see, I guess, from the stock market is certainly seeming to reflect that.
Tony
Yeah. So there are a couple of different things. First is inflation. It’s undoubtedly, on average, things are, I think, 24% more expensive today than they were in 2019. So inflation is without a doubt another massive issue this year. The stock market is really about four concentrated stocks, okay? It’s about Microsoft, it’s about Nvidia, it’s about Amazon and it’s about Apple. So when we see the general indices move up and down every day. Money is so concentrated in Nvidia, Microsoft and so on, that’s not necessarily impacting the stock market as a whole. So these are people betting on artificial intelligence. If you look at general stock market performance on the year, it’s down, I think, high single or low double digits so far this year. The general stock market, if you take out those four stocks, and we do see a lot of layoffs, other things. So it’s hard to argue that we’re in a terrible economy. I’m not saying that’s the case at all. But when we look at inflation and when we look know if people are standing still, they’re losing money. Right. Why is that happening? Well, it initially happened because of Fed policy.
Tony
Loose fed policy. Right. And so today it’s happening because Janet Yellen is using the treasury general account as her own personal kind of campaign funds. She’s spending the treasury general account like wildfire. And that is helping to sustain the prices in the US and keeping things up. So Congress has very limited power to stop her from doing that. But Yellen spending from the TGA is one of the biggest issues that nobody talks about, and it’s really keeping inflation up in the US.
BBC
Okay, well, listening to all that, Tony Nash. Tony, I guess that didn’t really surprise you, the kind of things we were hearing there.
Tony
No, it completely validated things that I’ve been telling you for the last 45 minutes. I mean, people on the ground are feeling it. If you’re sitting in New York or Boston or DC, and if you, Roger, are interviewing a talking head sitting in one of those places, they’re not going to tell you this stuff. But you just interviewed two people on the ground and they’re telling you exactly the stresses that they’re feeling.
BBC
Okay, well, let’s. Nash in Houston. It is interesting to hear where these things are going and interesting that John Zogby certainly seemed to think that the legal troubles of Trump may be actually quite instrumental. And I know you disagree with that. You’re not convinced, are you?
Tony
I’m not. I really think inflation and immigration and the people I talk to, and they’re across, I have 20 somethings who work for me and I have a 60 year old who works for me and I talk to, of course, people who don’t work for me. But I get a cross section across every day and I’m not hearing Trump’s legal concerns as an issue. But I’m sure in places like New York or San Francisco or DC, it’s a major issue where media is. But I think, Roger, the major, I think issue this November will be who will show up to vote. And if people are ambivalent about Biden and they don’t show up, then Trump’s going to win. If people are ambivalent about Trump and they don’t show up, then Biden’s going to win. I think that’s a bigger fact than anything because we got a couple of 80 year olds running. It’s really hard to get enthused. You can’t have like an Obama wave.
BBC
Well, I think we seem to have.
Tony
2008 or even a Trump wave.
BBC
We’re just losing the line a little bit to you there, Teddy.
Tony
And with all this other stuff and.
BBC
The partisanship, people, I think we’re just losing the line to you slightly there. But yeah, just a final thought. Does it matter very briefly in a word, or could, we heard you there a little bit there, Tony, thanks very much there. The line getting in the way of that at the end. But I hope we got a decent picture there of Super Tuesday and what it means, just to let you know that at the top of the hour, polls will close in Colorado, Minnesota and Texas. And we’ll bring you up to speed, of course, with projections from that. But that’s it from this special edition of Business matters on super cheesy bye.